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Comment written 3 years ago
Comment written 3 years ago
anlashok:
1) Your right. So why do preachers continue to marry people? This little issue with forgiveness. Which is worse, to show how unforgiving our churches are, or to forgive as many times as Jesus told us to? You've forgiven your boy loving priests, why shouldn't assume that God would also forgive those that commit adultry? All sin is black and no sin is more important to God.
2) God is God. You can't change his characteristics to suit yourself. If he wants one of us to obey, then a perfect God wants us all to obey. It doesn't matter if they never heard of it or not. we're all judged by how we live. If Jed lives on the moon with 4 others and kills them all for fun and never acknowledges that there is a higer power, he's going to hell. Jed lived for himself, and was his own god. He never stepped away from his sin or his selfishness. Same for those that die worshipping Zeus, but lived what we call a good life. Why would either of those people be in heaven? Why is there a hell and lake of fire if we can all go?
4) not exactly. A) the bible indicates that many outsiders will never understand it and B) the bible says that God will lead you into its understanding.(Which is why you don't need your Priest to tell you how to live.) About your fisher story: it doesn't matter. Gods word is relevant for people today. It doesn't make beans toward salvation by knowing that there were 153 fish back then. What matters is that God reveals himself through patient reading of the scripture. He's between the lines as much as in the words. The only time the storys factual minute detail matters is when an unbeliever trys to disprove it.
Yes Priests have the ability to teach scripture. No doubt. But you have to balance that with the fact that the priests are human and come with flaws. They make mistakes. Take your teaching from them, fine, but measure it against your own study. And beware when they appoint themselves to lofty church positions. Any baptist preacher can have the same status as the Pope. The Pope can't forgive sins and neither can the Baptist Preacher. Forgiveness can only come from the one that was offended. The fact that they tell people they are forgiven and the way they deal it out, is misleading their followers.
Comment written 3 years ago
1) more than one person called Moses a master theologian, so most are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by understanding that Moses had a purpose by placing a second story there, even if they, after thousands of years can't figure out why.
2) It could be that Moses wrote down what God told him and then Moses rewrote it for his own people because he didn't think they'd understand it as he and God did.
Now don't hold me to all of that just yet. I'll read about it again once I have a few hours.
Comment written 3 years ago
Comment written 3 years ago
What you wrote about the Lutheran church, (which I've never studied) doesn't contradict what you quoted Christ saying. It merely addresses the world today (that gets divorced and remarries) and speaks to them about their prior obligations (children), and says that you should figure out why your first marriage when bad, so that you can keep from going through divorce again. Looks to me like they're trying to keep people from getting divorced at all. It has nothing to do with picking and choosing.
I don't know any non-Catholic churches that bless divorce.
2) If God only wrote law for Jews, are you saying he cared nothing for the rest of the world? Did he not want them to worship him as well? It will be hard for you to tell me that God only gives law to those who follow him. He created us all, not just some of us.
3) good points about traditions.
4) "what in the Bible support the idea that the Scriptures should be the only authority?" Well it's the only thing God gave us that has the fewest imperfections (some say it is perfect.) Many have a hard time relying on an imperfect man to lead churches, when we see them being corrupted and flawed as they are. How do you trust a man to give you your religion when you know how capable he is of making mistakes? The bible indicates that the Holy Spirit educates you as you go and that is where you should get your theology. If you believe that there is a Holy Spirit, why shouldn't this perfect source be the teacher?
5) I never called Luther 'the man', meaning he had all the right answers. But he did have his points. 95 of them. Faith and works go hand in hand, but you can never have works before faith. It is clear that you cannot earn your way into heaven. If you have faith (meaning you believe in God) but do not have works (are fruitless), then you really have no faith to begin with. You just claim you do. The bible speaks of vines that have no fruits and what happens to them.
Picking and choosing. there are many churches that have sprung up because of this kind of picking and choosing. They grab onto a concept from one paragraph of the bible and start their own religion. This doesn't make them right. What I'm saying about picking and choosing is that you have to take into consideration the entire bible to draw your conclusions about God, not just a paragraph.
I have some answers or comments about your dual Genesis creation stories problem. I'll be posting them soon.
Comment written 3 years ago
There you go again, throwing out points without references. Divorce? What's your point?
It doesn't matter what Martin Luther intended. He was right. He proved the Church was not correct, not doing the will of the father. I view church breakups as preservation of the truth. The truth carries on while the lies get left behind.
The old covenant wasn't just for the jews. Do you think God only makes his law for those that follow him? If we don't follow him, we're not bound by any rules when we die?
The truth will always come off as hate if you don't like it. Tolerance is evil. God doesn't want us to tolerate sin, he wants us to repent from it. Never does he preach tolerance.
The catholic church is loaded in man made tradition like the Jews were when Christ was born. They couldn't see out of it either. God's true "church" (which means 'group of believers' by the way) is all Christians, not the catholic church. I noticed you side stepped the Peter issue too.
Jesus is the only way to heaven.
Salt.
Comment written 3 years ago
Not exactly. I said it was all true. In Genisis, when Satan says "surely you will not die"... he's lying, but it's the truth, that he said it. So there are lies in the bible, but the whole thing is true. You have to read it as literature to get it.
"In Genesis 1, which was written, incidently, later than the rest of Genesis and appended to the text,". Right off, you're claiming something you can't prove. I've never heard some one claim this. The oldest copies we have of the old testament have always shown consistentcy from what I've read.
About your Firmament question: If you're trying to describe how a cloud stays in the sky, one way to do it is to imply that it is held up somehow. To hold up something, you'll need a solid item. Since they could barely comprehend fire back then, I'm sure they couldn't properly describe why a cloud floats. As far as the other culture is concerned, the babylonian culture only came about 500 or so years BC. The old testament writings were around long before that so I'm doubting your statement about who got what from whom. Even if the Jews could have borrowed a term from them, when you write, you have at your disposal every word you ever heard. If PHAT describes someone better than 'a unique individual' would, then I'd use PHAT if I thought people would understand it easier.
Now, instead of taking apart your other two or more questions, I'd like you to know that any apparent discrepancy you can find, can be suitably explained. All of them have fairly simple solutions. I may not know them all, but I have yet to find one that can't be explained by someone. Every time one comes up, there's always been a suiteable answer.
Do yourself a favor scripture wise:
Look up the christian research institute. This guys got a national radio show where he takes all callers with all questions. You should see if you can stump him. Hank Hannegraph - http://www.equip.org/
I think one of the biggest reasons why catholics are catholics is that they don't have the faith in the scriptures after all these years through language changes, translations, perspectives, lost documents etc.. It just doesn't have to be that way. You dont have to trust a flawed sinner (priest) to get to know your God.
Comment written 3 years ago
So JRB and his Catholic church believes that as long as you're worshipping the hidden God, then obviously it must be the right one, since there's really only one. Therefore, any religion can work, as long as we only obey the 2 greatest commandments. Love God, and your neighbor. Worshipping Jesus was not part of your requirements and since some don't have Jesus as their religion, you've decided that he's optional. This is what protestants have feared about Catholicism for years. That it is was less Jesus oriented that it should be.
I'm starting my own religion then. I'm going to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Not taking from any one person, but steal from major corporations where no one but the company entitiy is hurt. I'm going to drink in excess (which many catholics already do), drive home drunk, pray to a shaft of wheat (my new religion symbol), write into my gospel that anyone that doesn't believe in this God should be anathama (Catholic cannon) or even killed (Koran), preach that anyone that follows my way will be granted 72 virgins in heaven (koran) become gods of their own (Mormons I believe), and not ask to be forgiven for sins, because hey, God forgives us all anyway.
Am I still qualified under Catholicism to enter heaven?
If you say yes, you're wasting your money, life and time at that school you're in.
Your religion is picking and choosing which rules to follow. That's the same as creating your own god. If God's not going to enforce his rules, then why would a perfect God give us instructions at all? If he's going to be wishy washy and change his mind, then he's merely human, not Godly. A perfect God is not vague. Nor are good parents. Children must know the rules or they'll act up. We're no different. God tells us we're dumb. We're sheep. Sheep are dumb to what's really going on around them. Sheep need rules, not vagueness.
I'm telling both of you, you need to know why there are protestant churches. And you shouldn't get the Catholic reasoning for it. Have you ever read up on ole Martin Luther?
For that matter, did you even know that Peter probably wasn't the first Pope as the Catholics claim? I don't even know why they say Catholism was the first Christian church, if Paul was preaching before Peter. He was busy killing Christians at one time. You tell me about Catholicism. Is this guy nuts?: http://www.historicist.com/articles2/peter.htm
To answer your question about those that have no opportunity to know Jesus, see the 10 commandments. Jesus is the 'new agreement', but if you never hear of it, you're bound still by the 'old agreement', because these laws describe who God is. It was written for all his creations, not only for those that believe.
Comment written 3 years ago
So JRB and his Catholic church believes that as long as you're worshipping the hidden God, then obviously it must be the right one, since there's really only one. Therefore, any religion can work, as long as we only obey the 2 greatest commandments. Love God, and your neighbor. Worshipping Jesus was not part of your requirements and since some don't have Jesus as their religion, you've decided that he's optional. This is what protestants have feared about Catholicism for years. That it is was less Jesus oriented that it should be.
I'm starting my own religion then. I'm going to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Not taking from any one person, but steal from major corporations where no one but the company entitiy is hurt. I'm going to drink in excess (which many catholics already do), drive home drunk, pray to a shaft of wheat (my new religion symbol), write into my gospel that anyone that doesn't believe in this God should be anathama (Catholic cannon) or even killed (Koran), preach that anyone that follows my way will be granted 72 virgins in heaven (koran) become gods of their own (Mormons I believe), and not ask to be forgiven for sins, because hey, God forgives us all anyway.
Am I still qualified under Catholicism to enter heaven?
If you say yes, you're wasting your money, life and time at that school you're in.
Your religion is picking and choosing which rules to follow. That's the same as creating your own god. If God's not going to enforce his rules, then why would a perfect God give us instructions at all? If he's going to be wishy washy and change his mind, then he's merely human, not Godly. A perfect God is not vague. Nor are good parents. Children must know the rules or they'll act up. We're no different. God tells us we're dumb. We're sheep. Sheep are dumb to what's really going on around them. Sheep need rules, not vagueness.
I'm telling both of you, you need to know why there are protestant churches. And you shouldn't get the Catholic reasoning for it. Have you ever read up on ole Martin Luther?
For that matter, did you even know that Peter probably wasn't the first Pope as the Catholics claim? I don't even know why they say Catholism was the first Christian church, if Paul was preaching before Peter. He was busy killing Christians at one time. You tell me about Catholicism. Is this guy nuts?: http://www.historicist.com/articles2/peter.htm
To answer your question about those that have no opportunity to know Jesus, see the 10 commandments. Jesus is the 'new agreement', but if you never hear of it, you're bound still by the 'old agreement', because these laws describe who God is. It was written for all his creations, not only for those that believe.
Comment written 3 years ago
2) you ignored my entire rant to solely focus on how everyone can intrepret scripture and get something different from it. I'll get back to that in #3. For this though, you're right and having different views can assure us that where ever the truth lies, it cannot be hidden. If there were only one christian church and bad people ran it, the truth would get burried. At least this way, the truth is out there to be found.
3) You skipped this. "....no man goes to the father but by me." The holy scripture says you must believe, which means (in the original greek), 'place your faith in'. Islam denies that Jesus is God. I wouldn't call that faith. All other religions deny Jesus. That's lack of faith and the scriptures are clear about 'no man goes....'. Now, how do you justify this catholic stance of tolerance while acknowledging God's/Jesus's own words? What's the need for the great commission?